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Been a looooong sloooooow process to get my garage where it has more than 2 outlets. Plus wrapping up a 5 year house reno that took all the time away from making the garage more functional. 

This is where I started ... 

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A lot of wasted space in there but was functional for holding 16' pieces of trim etc. Also cutting lots of 8' sheets of plywood. Now it starts to become more of a non remodel shop and more functioning furniture shop etc .... 

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Down goes the sheet rock! If you look at the 3rd pic, the ceiling was already coming down on its own. It fell down about 3-4' from the back wall and was the main reason I decided to redo all the walls. Figured while I struggled with trying to patch the ceiling, it would be easier to just take it all down and do the walls like I want them and fix the ceiling along the way.

Also in the 3rd/4th pic, there is a sub panel wired in by my brother in law ... it is a 100A panel so it should be plenty of power to everything I need without effecting the house stuff, or vice versa. 
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Than plan is to have 200v on the right and 120v on the left... about every 6' around the whole garage. 
Been a busy few days ... Insulated, redid the drywall on 1 wall and the ceiling. Also tested new lighting in 1 of the rows. 3/4 ply on the other 2 walls and then added a new lumber rack from the home depot storage section, the rubermaid stuff. Painting to come on the drywall wall and ceiling , dont think I will touch the ply for now. Due to holidays I lost my electrician to finish the back wall electrical outlets and the lights on the ceiling for awhile. It will give me time to rest and work on a few other projects though so all is good.

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Yes, I will have a air filter in there, I do have 1 ceiling outlet in the middle, but I think I may look into a couple more.

Wall painted and ceiling painted .. starting to move things around to test out locations. Still no clue where I really want anything yet. Even the tablesaw ... I am not 100% sold I like where it is since I have to open the garage door to make a cut. However convient it is for cutting long pieces or ply easily, just not sold on it yet. For now it will stay until I get more pieces put in place and see what kind of room I am working with after that.

Tested 1 set of 3 lights .. will have 3 sections total, for now and see how well that does. A lot of the stuff around the lathe on the floor is not mine, so just storing the extra tools from my brother in law there while he helps. So that should clear up in a few weeks as well.


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Here is the new outfeed table built ...

I have not put anything on the bottom. Debating putting a shelf there as I am thinking I may add cabinets in there for storage, but not 100% sure what I want to do with that space yet, so I am not touching it so I dont limit my options in the coming months.


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getting final coat and will be ready for now. 

Still not sure what I want under it yet so leaving it a blank slate for now till I get some work done with it around to see what makes sense. 


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Still working through getting some organization stuff ... went after a clamp rack to get them off the ground and out of my way.


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drawn up and a little quick math on the holders done ...


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Everything cut up


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quick little jig to cut the angles for the supports



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The hardest part of the build was getting these attached ... it was a real pain in the ass by myself and not sure of any other way to do it. So there are a couple that are not level across as they slipped a little when trying to screw them in.


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Hung up now on my south wall, not all the clamps in but the ones in the garage at least are on it. Will add the others later on.

Still thinking of how to add a few more different clamps to it. Like spring clamps and the the trigger clamps I have laying around too. Thinking of maybe a dowel coming out of each side about 10" or so to slide them on and off ... not sure what else I could do.

Thanks! I went and got some dowel rod at HD and will be adding that to it as well in the next few days.

I like the k body, I like how they disperse more pressure than the regular F style with the small pad on them across the work piece .... now I dont know how much more of if it is actually better or not, but in my mind it is haha.




Another reason I want to love the saw from the front of the garage and why I'm really digging your mockup Kev ... About a foot from water

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Here is 3/4 dowel added to the side ... 2 should be plenty for now for my smaller clamps. Took about 5 mins and a home Depot dowel rod and got it done. Quick and simple ... not pretty though, but good thing it is just shop furniture.

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Worked on a drill charging station to help get those up and out of the way and some extra storage for some miscellaneous stuff ... 


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A quick little drawing to get an idea of what I need to do ...


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Cut sheet .... 

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Cutting out the drill spots ... the new outfeed table and the old outfeed table kinda work well together, for now. Hoping to get the same type of cohesion when I finally get around to building an assembly table later on in the year hopefully. At least that is the though 


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Laying out some dado's 

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because we always seem to have a wonderful convo about changing out blades/dados I timed myself this time. Not going crazy fast or anything and just normal speed and switched from rip blade to 3/4" wide dado setup in 4:23 ... Not sure if that is slow or fast or normal time haha.


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Everything together and installed next to the clamp rack. Should get some stuff loaded up and I will grab a pic once I get most of it up. Definitely not the the prettiest thing to look at but it should be very functional and do what it needs to do ... I hope haha 
 
With the extremely gracious help of Kev and getting his thoughts on a layout for my garage... I have taken quite a few of his ideas to kinda get a starting point on where things should go ... 

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A few things on reading the drawing ... 

- Overall garage is 20' x 19'
- The lower dotted line is the garage door when it is up, lowering the overall height of the 8'+ garage ceiling, plus something to think about when running DC lines
- The upper dotted lines:
         - The top one is the 17" off the wall that the wood rack goes out, bottom row is about 4' 6" off the ground
         - The bottom line, just below it, is 18 1/2" off the wall where there is a 2" raised section (not sure where you call it)
                  - These are a few reasons why the equipment, for now, is out away from the wall
                  - The dust collection is moved down a little further due to 2 electrical panels on the right wall and the sub panel ... Not 100% sure where it needs to go, but I will see once I get more room to play with out back there.
- The green tools are the ones I have now
- The pink tools/cabinets are the ones that I am planning on bringing into the shop
- The sink is already plumbed in and cant be moved
- The left wall door is the one into the house
- The top wall door is to the back yard



Now on the center tools --- 
     I moved the TS/Joiner/Outfeed over away form the miter station ... only reason for now was just to give the little kids more room to walk and not bang their heads on anything coming and going through there. It could get moved closer to the miter station once they get a few more years older if needed. I do like the idea of having 1 drop to handle those middle tools. 


Things to come --- 
     Tools:
         1) Bandsaw
                - Hoping to pick up one by my Bday in May. Still debating on the Laguna 14BX vs Rikon 14" Pro vs Jet 15"
         2) Router Table 
                - Will most likely build the cabinet and pick up a nice lift for it, most likely the Jessem. 
         3A) Drum Sander
                - Definitely not using the stock stand for it. Will be for sure taking Kev's cabinet and maybe modifying it a little to what I need.
                - Looking at the Supermax 19x38 since that seems to be the most agreed upon drum sander out there
         3B) Dust Collector
                 - Looking into a better DC unit ... my Jet 1200 1 1/2 hp doesnt seem to be able to handle to the level I would like it. Right now is is running on a 4" 15' flex hose and still not doing that great. I would expect better with that short of a run.
                 - Thinking of possibly the Oneida Supercell 


        

      Building:
         1A) Miter Station
         1B) Assembly Table
                - Not sure which one I need to build first yet ... neither are just must haves and I cant work without. However, I am thinking the miter station for the sole reason of more storage capabilities than the assembly table, even though that will have storage as well.
Getting another item off the checklist ... I went with the fliptop for now so I could get the spindle sander off the floor.

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Drew out a version to get an idea ... 


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Breaking everything down hopefully the last time on the huge outfeed/assembly table.


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Starting to assemble the carcass. 

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Setup an ugly tenoning jig to cut out my pieces.


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Drilling the holes in the 4 corners for the eye bolts and stuff ...

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On a side note, if anyone is in the market for some forstner bits ... these things are amazing. Super sharp and forgot how much I liked them until this.

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Center holes drilled for the pipe to rotate on. 

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Cutting out the eyebolt holes to slide around and lock ... I dont know what it would actually be called haha

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Putting casters on and breaking out the new christmas gift! The 4in1 from Milwaukee is a sweet little tool. Plus saved quite a bit from getting the Festool.

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First look on the casters and stand up. Spins just fine! 

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Here it is with everything attached! Super happy with it, and rotates just fine even with the weight difference. 

2 things I did learn from this ... drilling the holes for the bar and then pushing it through the top really sucked. Not sure if my tolerances were too tight or what, but I was beating the crap out of it with a hammer to get it all the way through. Glad I got it through and to the other side and I can still spin it just fine. I think the holes were drilled just a tad out from 90* since I did it free hand. Next time, if there is one, I will be going to the drill press and doing it there.

The other thing is to look at the over all size of everything ... if you look closely in the picture you may notice the handle that raises/lowers it will not fit 😕 ... It is super quick and easy to take it off when I flip it so I am not too worried about it. I dont imagine I will be flipping it too much, so I am not too worried about it. 

Lessons learned like always ... 

Now next hopefully I can get the outfeed/assembly table out of the garage this weekend and work on getting the middle set of machines setup there.
 

Got some good work in today, cleaned up enough to get a basic layout and at least the big stuff out of the way ...


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Old cabinets broken down and ready to be stored until I can break them down a little more 

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Everything out of the cabinets and now crap is everywhere :) 



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working on the new layout trying new things out ... 

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Lots of cleaning to get around to, but it seems to slowly be coming together.


As far as the layout, some things are not in their forever homes, like the DC since I have not put all that in. So for now it is just hanging out by the big machines for now.

Drew this up for the north wall of the shop ... 10' overall length. Will have door on it, going most likely with inset doors. I have not decided on how many drawers yet or inside layout, will be thinking that through in the next few days now that I think I have the overall look/size done



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Seem about right for the space? 

ok thanks tmize and Jamie! Will defintely be thinking more heavily on it in a months down the road when those projects start.


Now taking a stab at lighting ... I am thinking the below layout ... thoughts?


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This is just the layout, then the next one is the one side by side with the tools to give you a better idea of where they would be hitting .. 


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Got some work done this weekend and wrapped up Monday ... we have light!! 

woking on installing them ..

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from the driveway...


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that is with the garage up blocking 3 lights ... 

now with all 

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not sure how much the pictures do it justice but there is not a dark spot in the garage now 

they are 25” off each of the side walls and the the middle is centered between those 2. 
 

so got some work done moving things around ... 

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Drill press and lathe kinda setup but still crap everywhere to move it haha. These cabinets will be amazingly helpful

So now that I’m moving on to the north wall ... a question for the masters 

do I build cabinets that follow the slope of the garage or make them level from the highest point ... probably talking a 2” drop from start to finish 

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Well after putting everything in the middle ... needed some power to the machines. Started making an extension cord to go out there. 

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still need to wrap them and connect it all with wire nuts. Had to order the cover plate online as no one sales a double hole plate in store for some reason. Kinda annoying as the plate costs a few bucks and shipping is like 3 times that :( 
 

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Think I have finally come up with a design I like for the north wall cabinets .... Nothing new by any means haha, seems most people build it pretty close to this anyways. 

I think I am not sure of is pull out drawers vs shelves ...


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The question I have ... is to have the counter top raised a little or not and just have it double ply stacked like Kev. 

    If I go with the raised top to have those little cubies I will lose some cab height, as it is now with them it would be 36 1/4" height which seems a bit high ??

    With the just double ply on there, it would knock it down to 35 1/2" or something like that .... havent done the math yet. 

 
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updated to this ... 

14 - 5" Drawers
2 - 7 3/4" Drawers
2 - 12" Drawers


Seem like enough drawers? Too Many ... ?? Should I move it to 4 12" and 12 5" drawers which would get rid of the 7 3/4" drawers?
getting the base knocked out ... 

The outfeed table became the miter saw stand for this part. Man this is one of the better things I have built so far ... coming in very handy so far so it is working out like I was expecting. Future storage cabinet build inside it will make it even better, but that is in the future once I have cabinets and storage out of the way.

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Getting everything put together on the outfeed table as well. I think struggling through using the miter saw and getting everything on it stood up so I can make cuts is the suffering payment to remind me how nice this will be once it is up and ready haha. Definitely makes slow work having to mess with it every time and not have a standard place to go to use it.

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Built and laid out ... 

Now the distance from each end ... 
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All Shimmed up ... 

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Can see the slope in the floor and I ran out of shims haha ... it needed a lot more than I was expecting. Going to have to go get more, or pick up some T nuts and carriage bolts ... not sure yet what I am going to do. I was going with shims to just see how high the left side needed to be, but dont have a hot glue gun so not sure how to keep them there unless I pick up a glue gun.
well people are hoarding toilet paper in these times ... I just hoard new tools .. dust justifying them by getting the festool before the price increase work. I am saving money :) 



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Should be able to start cutting out cabinets today a little later on and maybe even get some dado's run too .. we shall see.
Coop your advice is always welcome! 

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Boring day today ... only had a little time in the shop after work, but I did get the cabinets broken down to final size. Tomorrow I hope to get the dados cut in them and maybe even put together. We shall see how work goes and how the kids are behaving.

Although, as I was having to move the outfeed around and move things out of the way and I got annoyed with the amount of crap still in the floor ... I gave in and put a shelf on the bottom of the outfeed table to start putting some of that stuff on there and just getting it out of the way. I had some left over 3/4 from the cabinets so I put it to use.

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Now just to load it up tomorrow clean some things off the floor. 
 
It was a rabbet kinda day in the shop ... 

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Sanity check on the bottom of the cabinets and a quick test fit

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Love it when my match comes out right :) 

The back will have a 1/2 piece that will fit in there.
It was a rabbet kinda day in the shop ... 

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Sanity check on the bottom of the cabinets and a quick test fit

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Love it when my match comes out right :) 

The back will have a 1/2 piece that will fit in there
Being without power so long ... This was so amazing to be able to do ... the small things! Just connecting a machine into a wall and no extension cord needed is an amazing thing haha 


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Got the cabinets finished with the back pieces and the miter saw stand on as well. 

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No I just need to shim up the wall and back cabinets to get them straight all the way down ... but that will have to wait until probably tomorrow ... 


 
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Had a good day in the shop so far .. got the tops cut out and routed the edges so everything is flush ... 


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I know it was a lot of money!! But damn the dust control on this thing was amazing!!! Routed the 2 MDF tops and didnt see 1 spec of dust fly off. The dirtiest part was inside the attachment  ... 


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Just look at all that nasty dust!!! haha 



Now question for the pros ... How should I build out the face frames on this .. 


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The top is 1 thickness, the end sides are 3/4" and the middles of cabinets are 1 1/2" 

How do I go about doing this and not making it look goofy?
 
great day in the shop ... minus thinking I was milling up some cherry at first haha. Ended up being, I think, Sapele which at least will look good when it is finished and offer a nice look when done. Any thoughts on it? Sapele? 


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Put a cross piece on the miter area to cover the support sides and the base of it. I screwed it in so I could easily take it off if I ever need to adjust something with the miter saw... 

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After only about 12 cuts ... this place is a mess. Something coming decently soon will be some type of dust control there. Not sure what I want to do, as I have that wonder outlet that happened to be about 6 inches in the way haha. 

I still need to route the lines on the station so I can have my 1 line stop block type setup and no fence. Dont think I need one .... yet. Will try the no fence route since I dont have one prepped anyways at the moment. 

Now the next question is ... how do I finish the MDF? Same finish I will use on the cabinets?
 
Sorry, being a little dense on this one ... Just to validate you are saying this:


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I am thinking you are saying this, chamfer on the face frame and then another chamfer on the hard board behind it ?

or this 


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Got the edges worked out ... 


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Now getting ready to route my tracks in ... ended up just going with regular ones ... however question ... Can these be cut at the miter saw to length? They are aluminum Kreg ones ... They are about 1-2" too long. 


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Well this was fun to walk out to ...  guess there was some stress happening in there when I cut it all the way with the t-track. Now I had to add like 6-8 more screws on each side. Kind of annoying but I guess I can live with it vs buying more ply to make it out of that.



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Should be able to get some time to work on the sliding miter base that Kev mentioned earlier that he adds to his and his new miter station build ...
 
Pictures are working again .. not sure what happened last night. They just wouldnt upload for some reason ... 

Anyways ... here we go ...


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Got all the cabinets started up ... laid in place , minus the little one that will go over the miter saw ... 

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Sadly, I have just learned that actually using these to lock the track down is actually an amazing thing. It does slow me down a few seconds but man it makes cutting less stressful! I am sold on them and will use them every time where possible. 

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Here they are with backs on and everything ... ready to be installed. 

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On a side, note ... I did finish the "Kev" lift for the miter saw and it made it real easy to get it level .. Dont mind the extra cuts in there, math won that day haha 

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On a side note #2 ... Do yall have any experience with any magnet door catches or anything like that? I am trying to look into something that I could put on this door/wall to keep it open. There is a hell of a draft and will slam it shut when the garage door is open if I dont block it with something for now ... 
 
per coops suggestion ... picked these up


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“If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?”  John Wooden

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Well got some work in over the weekend ... the wife helped me clean out the big ugly metal shelves in the back. Now that its gone it feels so much more open, I really like it out of there.

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Then today got some time to joint some more face frame material ... will have to plane another day, hopefully tomorrow if I get out of meetings soon enough.

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Gotta love the action in those boards, cups, twists, bows and all sorts of fun stuff

 

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Also curious ... do yalls planers leave this much behind? Maybe I am taking too thick of a cut and it cant keep up? (1/8" cut) the pic doesnt look too bad, but really it was about 5 boards and maybe 10-12 passes total. 

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I run my jointer much lighter and am willing to make more passes.  I'd rather not give up too much material.

Shop's looking great!

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My jointer leaves very little If any behind. Most I tend to take is 1/16 per pass. 

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The shop transformation has been incredible. Looking great! 

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18 minutes ago, Jamie said:

My jointer leaves very little If any behind. Most I tend to take is 1/16 per pass. 

ok .. I think I will be pushing it back to a light cut next time ... probably for the time to mill up the door rails and styles for the cabinets. Then I will check out the overflow ... if any

10 minutes ago, Coop said:

The shop transformation has been incredible. Looking great! 

Thanks Coop! 

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14 hours ago, Bushwacked said:

Also curious ... do yalls planers leave this much behind?

I have the same jointer you have and I get chips left behind, not as much as you have there but I also, like the others, take really light but multiple passes.  

I have always attributed it to two things.  #1. My jointer is right below the tracks for my overhead door and because of this I had to run a less then perfect DC route which causes me to have a "U" turn in my flex hose where it connects to the jointerand my DC is only 1 3/4 H.P. and #2. the blade spins clockwise so I figure a certain amount is going to get flicked back in the direction of the infeed table.

AND maybe it is a Powermatic problem. :classic_wink:


“If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?”  John Wooden

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27 minutes ago, Chet said:

AND maybe it is a Powermatic problem. :classic_wink:

As much as I enjoyed that, it most probably a DC issue. I get a little behind mine as well 

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well I raised up the jointer to now only take 1/32 each pass ... 

annnnnnd nothing like getting all the face frames milled up and then cant find the nails for the nail gun!! I think they got packed away with the brother in law stuff on accident I looked all over 😞 Now have to wait on Amazon to deliver more before I can install them ...

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A 32nd is about what I run..  Maybe a little heavier but, not much.  Really helps to maintain max thickness as you just can't put it back on..

Looking good!

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I don’t think I could ever remodel my shop like you have. I would be in to hurry to get it back an rush thru all these great details you are doing that makes it a great show worthy shop. 

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9 minutes ago, Tmize said:

I don’t think I could ever remodel my shop like you have. I would be in to hurry to get it back an rush thru all these great details you are doing that makes it a great show worthy shop. 

It does pay off though even though it's hard to do..  You actually get to a point where you can pull back focus on the shop and still do shop upgrades and projects at the same time and get full enjoyment out of the shop.

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8 minutes ago, Kev said:

It does pay off though even though it's hard to do..  You actually get to a point where you can pull back focus on the shop and still do shop upgrades and projects at the same time and get full enjoyment out of the shop.

yep, agree with this ... It was rough starting as crap was everywhere and wasnt fun to work in. However, now I am a decent ways into where I dont have stuff everywhere. I can work on a new project when I need a break from the shop stuff. IE my sons closet. Then when I get back to the shop stuff it is kind of refreshing and assuming I will do that kind of rotation for awhile so I dont get burned out on either ... 

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1 hour ago, Bushwacked said:

only take 1/32 each pass ... 

That what  Have mine set at.

 

36 minutes ago, Bushwacked said:

However, now I am a decent ways into where I dont have stuff everywhere.

This is a big part of increased enjoyment in the shop, in my opinion.  Even though you are still in some transition in the shop its a good time to work on the habit of putting things away at the end of the day.


“If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?”  John Wooden

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29 minutes ago, Chet said:

That what  Have mine set at.

 

This is a big part of increased enjoyment in the shop, in my opinion.  Even though you are still in some transition in the shop its a good time to work on the habit of putting things away at the end of the day.

Haha! I really need to get into that habit. I tend to cover every surface in my shop before I get to spend a couple hours cleaning it up. 

But it’s ok, did some personality test at work and it came back spot on. Basically said that my desk is going to be a mess, but don’t move anything because I know exactly where it is at. Holds true at home in my shop as well 😎

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Long day today but got quite a bit done. 
 

built the shelves and got face frames all done  on everything. Sanded as well and then started to finish the bottoms. 

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first coat on the bottoms. Have not done the countertops yet or too set of cabinets. Dinner hit and had to stop. It’s time like this I wish I had a sprayer and not a foam brush lol

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13 minutes ago, Bushwacked said:

I wish I had a sprayer

When you get one you will never look back.

Things are coming along though.


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Looking super sharp!  I'll echo @Chet and say that a sprayer will take your finishing to the next level..

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It’s moving right along. It will be a very nice shop when your finished. Did you just Brad nail the face frames on the case?

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On 4/21/2020 at 8:32 PM, Bushwacked said:

Well got some work in over the weekend ... the wife helped me clean out the big ugly metal shelves in the back. Now that its gone it feels so much more open, I really like it out of there.

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Then today got some time to joint some more face frame material ... will have to plane another day, hopefully tomorrow if I get out of meetings soon enough.

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Gotta love the action in those boards, cups, twists, bows and all sorts of fun stuff

 

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Also curious ... do yalls planers leave this much behind? Maybe I am taking too thick of a cut and it cant keep up? (1/8" cut) the pic doesnt look too bad, but really it was about 5 boards and maybe 10-12 passes total. 

I do that all the time, say planers and mean jointer but not visa versa for some reason.

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Looking good! 
 

the sprayer I have was about $100, actually bought it when I lived at our other home and had a big deck to stain. The guys are spot on that a sprayer changes the game in finishing. 

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13 hours ago, Coop said:

I do that all the time, say planers and mean jointer but not visa versa for some reason.

haha .. ya long days and the brain doesnt work 🙂

13 hours ago, Jamie said:

Looking good! 
 

the sprayer I have was about $100, actually bought it when I lived at our other home and had a big deck to stain. The guys are spot on that a sprayer changes the game in finishing. 

Thanks! 

Ya, I cant wait, been eyeing the fuji's for years now. Birthday is coming up so maybe I could swing that 🙂

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Kev and Chet were instrumental in my purchase of a sprayer, and I chose the Mini-Mite 3. Never let it be said that Chet can’t help you spend your $$$. 😄. It this case, it was money well spent. 

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10 hours ago, Coop said:

Kev and Chet were instrumental in my purchase of a sprayer, and I chose the Mini-Mite 3. Never let it be said that Chet can’t help you spend your $$$. 😄. It this case, it was money well spent. 

Hah! keeping an eye on Chet now 🧐

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